Amanda

[Quinn]

See I don't always agree with what Start says, as she will attest to, but I do respect he opinion,  She has respect and the ability to sway and argue, T2Um you have none of that.

And I think Strat will also attest to the fact that I don't argue untill I am blue in the face, I will state a point and walk away after a bit I am thankful that not everyone agrees all the time.

You're biggest faults T2U, is that you use generic arguments that can be easily used back on you and your way of thinking.  Case in point your Hitler and Sophist remarks in that other thread, over yonder.

[truth2u]

>>> And I think Strat will also attest to the fact that I don't argue untill I am blue in the face, I will state a point and walk away after a bit I am thankful that not everyone agrees all the time.<<<

Oh, is that why you keep posting?

>>> You're biggest faults T2U, is that you use generic arguments that can be easily used back on you and your way of thinking.<<<

I doubt a person of intelligence would see any merit in what you say. To see you equate movies with reality pretty much will give you away, I’m afraid. And you got lots of friends here and I doubt there are any here allowed to disagree with the party line here. Ain’t that right, Comrades? Ah, isn’t brute enforced silence wonderful. If you can’t overcome it, just ban it, right? Free speech, free markets? Who ever heard of such abominations? right?

Yeah, I smell the rotting corpse. Won’t be long before we live under martial law now! I know you probably look forward to it but I am sure not. Have a nice day ;-) You’re favorite color is Red, isn’t it? :-) Just a wild guess. Does that violate any policy as well, comrade?

[Quinn]

You are funny T2U, you can't even keep straight who says what.  I never posted anything about movies and reality.  You have the wrong poster.......

And ummm I've been here for a long time, but diddy12 (i think) and i have never talked before, Strat we've talked but only since you've made idiotic claims did Strat ever talk to me in private.  Tara and Paleo, well Paleoe and I have had our "issues" between the both of us, but that was years ago.  Taramoon too, but she's so sweet.... I could not get mad at her......

It's your way of thinking that will bring us to marshal law brother!

Sigh, you are too cute!  simply cute!

Oh and I have made no demands for banning you.

If you think that the current markets and current "speech" is free...... You are dead wrong, they are both controlled, you do realize  that there are only 6 media companies in the US don't you?

I bet you think that "It's about time Corporations can spend freely the amount of money towards their candidate of choice."  Yes it is a new law, Corporations can support the candidate of choice without restraint.  THAT'S FREEDOM!!!!! right?  Wrong!

[Cestriano]

Wow, this guy did a complete 180, didn't he? And to think that I actually agreed with him on something...

[Strategy1st]

(truth2u @ Feb. 26 2010,15:31)

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You said:>>> The attractiveness of your posterior has nothing to do with whether you're a good Survivor contestant or not.<<< It does make a difference, a big one. Look how Parvati uses her assets and charms.

Getting back on topic (or closer to it)....

I'd argue that what makes Parvati a good Survivor contestant is her abilities with social manipulation - her body is merely her tool of choice.  First time around, she had the body but not the skills, and while 6th is a respectable finish, her placing was dictated by other players.  Second time around, she won, and she earned that win by playing a good social game--I still don't think she's a notable strategic player, but she makes up for it socially.  On the flip side, there's somebody like Cirie who doesn't have the bikini-babe body but also plays a great social game.  She just uses different resources.

That for me is what Survivor is about.  You use whatever resources are at your disposal to get to the top, to survive.  Social skills, strategy skills and challenge skills are how you win this game, and it's up to the individual to figure out their own personal disadvantages and how to overcome them.  A good body helps, but it's not essential.

[Cestriano]

I don't know, I still don't think Parvati's that great and really think she gets overrated. Like, I'm sorry, but she really bothers me with how she comes across having a cliquish, semi-elitist sexist attitude, and I don't know how anybody can be all over the top liking her (or Russell for that matter).

[truth2u]

@ Quinn
You >>If you think that the current markets and current "speech" is free...... You are dead wrong, they are both controlled, you do realize  that there are only 6 media companies in the US don't you?<<

Your preaching to the choir, Quinn. I never said speech was free but that it should be free. But freedom is long gone, my friend and you or your buddies got out witted and now want to ban me because you can’t staying the ring with me.

And as to whether corps can spend money on candidates, they have been doing that for years. The press has been bought and sold for years. That change, whether good or bad, wont’ make a bit of difference. It is the ignorance of the population that has destroyed us and that same population loves the game of Russell. Nothing could show us any better as to why the USA is doomed. Look who are heros are now. Just amazing.

[truth2u]

Cirie has no game or skill. She simply makes herself available to whoever wants to use her. She'll go along with anything as long as its not her. That only goes so far and then its over. hardly a game. Parvati did make deals and lots of strategy to win the fans/favs.

LIsten, I do not like Parvati's style of play, but it works because she tries to charm, rather than bully and abuse. That is why she is a millionaire.

I wonder what some of these Survivors are like in real life. Many say they are not like this in the real world but in a few cases, I wonder. Some seem like they have done this many times before, not to name names.

[Cestriano]

Dunno, if you ask me, Cirie was responsible for more things in Micronesia than Parvati was. I mean it seemed like Parvati needed Cirie more than Cirie needed Parvati.

[truth2u]

Well, as I recall, it was Amanda and Parvati that got together and Cirie was invited in. Cirie was grabbing for straws and would take anything and it was the only offer she had. BUt as a group of females, it only made sense because Cirie could never win an immunity. Amanda was the immunity winner and really, I don't think anyone can win without the ability to win an immunity once in a while, especially at critical times.

[DiNoM]

Quinn, you have haters. I am so proud of you

[Quinn]

*high five*  Thanks DinoM, I've been working on this for years now!

[Strategy1st]

(Cestriano @ Feb. 27 2010,12:20)

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I don't know, I still don't think Parvati's that great and really think she gets overrated. Like, I'm sorry, but she really bothers me with how she comes across having a cliquish, semi-elitist sexist attitude, and I don't know how anybody can be all over the top liking her (or Russell for that matter).

Oh, I do think she's over-rated.  As for her attitude, well I kind of forgave her since Micronesia, but now this season is reminding me why she grates so much.  I really didn't like the treatment of Randy, and it seems Parvati's part of a Mean Girls clique again.

That said, she did not come up with the plans to neutralise the respective immunities of Ozzy, Jason and Erik, and subsequently vote them off, she gave up on the final immunity challenge, she found an HII by accident and decided not to bother with it and it's entirely possible that Jonathan's evacuation and Kathy's decision to quit is all that kept her to the merge, but(!) she was the one who convinced Cirie to join with her alliance, she was the one who pulled in Alexis and Natalie after the tribal swap, and she was the one who pushed for the Witches Alliance to stick together.  Cirie might have deserved the win, but Parvati at least earned it.

Also to Truth, Cirie figured out how to boot Ozzy (setting up a double bluff where everybody was supposedly conspiring to blindside Jason), Jason (getting Natalie to tell him that she had sent him to EI in order to save him) and Erik (using Natalie again--kudos to Natalie for pulling it off, but Cirie had to convince her to try).  She totally owned the post-merge game up until the point where they realised that it was not a final three.  Right back at the start, she had made Parvati and Amanda promise her that they'd take her to F3, and her entire game was built around that principle.  She's said at the outset of this season that she's not settling for anything less than F2 this time.

[5Crocodiles4U]

(truth2u @ Feb. 28 2010,16:06)

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Well, as I recall, it was Amanda and Parvati that got together and Cirie was invited in. Cirie was grabbing for straws and would take anything and it was the only offer she had. BUt as a group of females, it only made sense because Cirie could never win an immunity. Amanda was the immunity winner and really, I don't think anyone can win without the ability to win an immunity once in a while, especially at critical times.

Exactly.  Creceipia could not win an immunity to save her life, she is worse than terrible at challenges.
 
She just rides whoever's coattails she can.  I don't think Creceipia will get very far this time.  I think she may be the boot the next time the Heroes lose immunity as she is a major challenge liability AND becomes too dangerous once the mergr happens.  Because Creceipia is so weak, post merge she isn't even considered as a possible boot as the challenge threats have the targets on their backs.

[Strategy1st]

Author: 5Crocodiles4U Date: Mar. 01 2010,16:19

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Because Cirie is so weak, post merge she isn't even considered as a possible boot as the challenge threats have the targets on their backs.

What is the difference between this and the challenge threats getting a free ride at the start of the game?

And for the record, in Micronesia, Cirie had a choice between going with two different foursomes, both of whom were working hard to persuade her.  She didn't trust Jonathan or Yau Man on the other alliance, so she demanded and got a final 3 promise out of Amanda and Parvati that she believed and had the boot changed from their pick (Eliza) to hers (Yau Man).  That's not grabbing at straws or meekly riding coat-tails.